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Have you ever known someone who committed suicide?

People who commit suicide do it for many reasons the most common being overwhelming despair.They see no way to change or stop their current state of affairs.Suicides take an upward trend at Holidays especially Christmas due to financial reasons. Wouldn't crossing the desert be comparable to suicide?Do any of you on Y/A feel any compassion towards the families of these people or even the people themselves?I say Y/A because I know other people in America do or we wouldn't have so many aid organizations.But I see a profound lack of compassion on here which is disturbing from a medical standpoint.So do you see any correlation between the two?And do you have any compassion? For those who don't seem to understand my question.Many die in the desert trying to get out of a hopeless situation.They have families they left behind too.Do you feel any compassion for those families or those who died? Ms.LA....Thank you for at least saying you felt sorry for their families.I'm a mother and would hate for someone to say tough if one of my kids died.

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To answer your question -- yes more than one in fact Nevertheless -- suicide remains a cowards way out of his problems
No I haven't know anyone who did that, but people don't cross the desert trying to kill themselves. We do it to try to get into the US.
I have tons of compassion..except for Islamic extremists.. What desert are you referring to?..is it a metaphor?
Yes, that's is why for me, their lives far outweigh any law they are breaking. I've always been a supporter of a guest worker program, because I believe that this would greatly minimize people attempting "suicide" by crossing over dangerous terrain. I really like the way you've phrased your question, and I hope people that don't have any compassion at all, can at least understand those of who are blessed with this quality.
As Antis Suck said... They don't do it to commit suicide, they do it to break the law and enter the country illegally. People cross deserts all the time without trying to commit suicide. Some people in the middle east actually LIVE in the desert, exposed to the elements continuously..
I have had 2 people in my life commit suicide and I feel that it is the most selfish and self centered thing that anyone can do. They do not think about the families that they are leaving behind, or their friends, or coworkers or any other lives that they have touched. They do not care about the feeling of those that they have left behind or how their lives are going to be affected. So, no I do not have any compassion for those that commit suicide. I have an overwhelming amount of compassion for the people that those who commit suicide leave behind.
They cross the desert in desperation, because they are hungry. They don't want to die. They think they have no other choice. I have lots of compassion as I know many desperate immigrants personally. However, I also know they quickly learn about WIC, "free" emergency room innoculations for their kids, how to sue an employer for personal injury, and how to get a fake ID. I also know many who come here legally and pay their taxes. There is a process, if they used the money (they pay the coyotes to take them across the desert) for an immigration lawyer, there wouldn't be dead people in the desert or on the train. The problem is ignorance and Mexican corruption.
Actually you have it wrong. Durkheim, a famous psychologist and suicide theorist suggests that those with financial debt are less likely to commit suicide than those with no debt. His reasoning behind this is that people commit suicide who don't have any social ties. Owing a debt is a social obligation to pay someone back. There is guilt and therefore an obligation to live. Independently wealthy people are more likely to committ suicide when they don't owe anybody anything and they have no close friends or family. A great example of this would be Citizen Kane. So your desert theory would be wrong on those accounts. They are taking a risk, but there goal is not to commit suicide, it's the exact opposite. They are trying to reach a destination and have a purpose. Read a little bit about Durkheim's theories. They make a lot of sense.
Of course, most, even though not all, people crossing the border don't do it because it's the easy way out. They do it because it's the ONLY way they can get out of their horrible situation. That's understanding them from an emotional point of view, I can also do so from a political and logical point of view. That puts me above all the antis who only use the short logic of "if they broke the law, punish them." I'm superior. Hail Siervocal.
as a matter of fact the guy who lived across the street from me went to his shed and hung his self, hung there for 13 hours before his sister found him. the reason? his wife left him and took the kids. a week later she stopped dead in front of an 18 wheeler and got killed, it put the youngest son in the hospital and killed her friend. that was due to mental illness. other then that no i do not feel compassion for illegals crossing illegally.
It's a suicidal mission trying to cross the border, all that hot weather and dry desert can kill a man! If a person is that desperate to get here, the least people can do is have some sympathy towards them!
Not for criminals invading my country. What do you want - free mental health centers on the border? Why don't you volunteer to go down there? It is quite a stretch to link these two.
If you look over to the section on Psycology on Yahoo Answers, you'll find a lot of compassion I feel. It is tough to 1) believe that people are telling the truth on this site and 2) respond to it in a way that might help the person looking for help. I know those that have died by suicide and those who almost did, and for both who died it wasn't just sad for financial reasons or dispare, but they were suffering from Manic Depression and were Bipolar. For as little compassion as we have in our society and government for those that are suffering Depression, we really still do not treat well those suffering from mental illness.
Yes, I had a friend who killed himself outside his ex-GF's college dorm. No, I don't see a correlation, and I have no compassion for criminals illegally entering this country. If they want a better life, then they should fix their own country, rather than living like parasites off of mine. And I GREATLY RESENT your attempt to defend them by comparing them to mentally ill individuals who have taken their own lives.
My boyfriend of 5 years killed himself and I had 3 friends in High School (17 years) ago commit suicide. I feel compassion for the person that died, the family and friends. I feel for everyone involved.
I have known several people who committed suicide and I resent your correlation between their mental illness and the illegal activities of those trying to illegally enter this country. I don't feel sorry for anyone who is executed for committing murder and I don't feel sorry for someone who is breaking our laws & dies as a result. If their families don't want them to die, they should convince them to stay where they're at.
No. But I know the families of people that have committed suicide and most of them are in counseling. These people who do this leave behind a scarred and unbalanced group of family and friends all wondering what they did wrong? If they could have helped? I don't feel sorry for an illegal who dies in our desert, I have compassion and I'm sorry for their families but to be so single minded about getting into a country that they know doesn't want them, is that suicide or just not being strong enough to get here illeglally? I do see a correlation, it is selfishness. I managed a psychiatrist's office for a long time and I've seen it all. Most of the time it is a problem that is self driven and these people just want more attention for whatever their need is. It's not that I'm not a humane person, I've done charity work and foster parenting and many other things but the illegals are totally self serving.{ I'm a mother, too.And I do hate when death comes unnecessarily. I would never let someone die of thirst or hunger that came to my door, even an illegal. But they put the price on their goal, not me.}
Stupid is as stupid does.
Anyone crossing the Sonoran, Cibola, or southwest deserts during the hot months from May until October is devoid of common sense to begin with. I've pulled their bodies out too many times. I have no compassion for a corpse that decided to commit a complicated form of suicide. I have compassion for the families they leave behind. Just btw, I've seen MANY suicides in my career. I have yet to see anyone that had a good enough reason to punch their own ticket.
actually yeah sadly in my life time a few people i grew up with have committed suicide California has a high suicide rate why i don't know since we are a sunny state and very little rain you would think it would be lower..... but we do have higher taxes cost of living some of the highest numbers of unemployment in the union and in history no hospitals but in the largest citys cause all the ones locally have shut down since 1990, people cant afford to go shopping for there family cause gas prices are 3.57 a gallon plus taxes are so high on every thing including produce just to buy some baby's milk even the generic can will cost you about 25 bucks a can and cigarettes are now almost 6 dollars a pack and going up another dollar in taxes by the first of 2008 our roads are run down our high ways are trashed and every time you look around some one is fighting .. plus we haven't had a good governor for 10 years might have allot to do with it all
Yes, I have know someone who committed suicide. And yes I am a very compassionate person. It is apparent that you do not live in a border state, or your feeling would be very different. Aid organizations are usually in it for other reasons other than aiding. Like Jessie Jackson and Sharpton. Where would they be, if the African Americans did not have to deal with so much. They would be out of a job. You really need to visit a sanctuary city, so you can see what people are angry about. The town I live in is terrible. Move? Can't afford to. I have Mexican grandchildren, so please don't label me as a racist. That is getting very old. And not true in most cases.
Okay I have a LITTLE compassion for someone who commits suicide, like the cry for help suicide. HOWEVER, if a person who commits a CRIME like kills a family then turns the gun on himself to avoid imprisonment then NO I don't feel for them. That person committed a crime and should know right from wrong correct? The illegals know it is against the law to illegally come into this country but decide to do it anyway therefore I do not have compassion. It is the chance they take for breaking the law.
My 'compassion' stops at the border. I realize the situation in Mexico and other nations is not ideal, however illegally entering the US is not a solution. It would be far better for the UN and nations to bring humanitarian pressure against Mexico which has wealth and resources to increase their feeble efforts to reduce poverty to a practical concern. There is no correlation between the deaths in the desert of illegal aliens and suicide, except both result from irrational choices. My compassion is reserved for the victims of illegal aliens here in the US, from those who die at their hands or from those who suffer from loss of jobs to the victims of identity theft. And of course to the burden placed on the taxpayers. The simple fact is most of these illegal aliens would not qualify for legal entry for a variety of reasons, including criminal backgrounds, illiteracy, etc. It is not the fault of the US, but of their home nations. We cannot solve their problems, but we need very much to solve our own poverty, homelessness, illiteracy, hunger. Until no American child is deprived, we need to focus on our own.
I know someone who tried to commit suicide and failed (thank God). It was very hard on the family. Her poor mother! I don't really think crossing the desert can be the same. I think it is like gambling that if you make it across you can have a better life. The people crossing are not suicidal but desperate. Yes I do have compassion for both types of people.
I had one good friend die, and a second that tried . I see no correlation, since the motive of illegal immigrants isn't to kill themselves. My compassion goes to the kid who is dragged threw the hazardous environment, not to the parents. THey were warned not to take the dangerous journey and did it anyways. The kids who die from these illegal trek on the other hand had no choice. I felt sorry for the Cuban boy who's mother dies coming here on the makeshift boat, but I think very poorly of the mother.
Fantastic point yes they do it out of desparation it ticks me off that they think they come here just for welare I don't know one person that came here specifaclly for the wefare and I know a lot of them.
I do feel lot of compassion for these people that brave out into the desert and try to overcome the hardships they are leaving behind. They feel it is better to sacrifice oneself for the good of the family. Some make it and some don't. Let me share with you a story if I may. There was a young girl I met years ago by the name of Lupe. She was the nicest girl you ever would have the pleasure of meeting. She was from Oaxaca and she lived in a adobe style house with hammocks for a bed. She had 2 handsome little boys, and her husband Evarado worked for pennies a day trying support his little family. She was very grateful for the things she did have in life, but she wanted much more for her boys. She wanted them to have the chance to do things she had only dreamed of when she was little. Those dreams were impossialbe for Lupe and Evarado. They came to the decision that he would set out across the desert and try to make it across to "the other side" as some call it. Lupe and the boys said their goodbyes. It had been about a 2 weeks and Lupe and heard nothing from her husband. The boys kept asking where their papi was. A friend of Evarado's who had also gone on the trip came home with the terrible news. He could not leave his friend out in the desert for the animals to get a hold of, so he carried the body of his friend back and got help from the first person he saw. Fransico had rode witht the body of his friend, back to his town. Lupe saw Fransico and knew the worst had happened. There in the back of a old pick up laid the body of her dear husband Evarado. Everado's asthema was more then he could bare out there in the desert. Fransico had made a promise to Evarado to take care of his family if he did not make it. Evarado's love for his family outweighed all the consequences he could have faced out there in the desert and if he made it here. Fransico told Lupe of the promise he had made to his dear friend. Though she was grief stricken, she was thankful that her husband was brave enough to risk his life for them. Fransico never let the boys and Lupe down, he later worked many low paying jobs, and got the money to send Lupe and the boys over here by means of a coyote. It was a suicide mission for Evarado, but how could he risk the entire family? He didn't think of himself when he set out to cross the desert, the only thing on his mind was trying to help his family. It is sad that people have to go to these measures for the sake of the ones they love. I still keep in contact with Lupe and she is doing fine, she never remarried but wishes that Evarado could see how good the boys are doing in school. She wishes that she could be legal and not have to worry about returning the uncertainity that she would have to go back to in Mexico. I have faces that go with these stories, and I can't help but feel compassion for these people who I have befriended over my years of visiting Mexico.
I feel sorry for their families, but since most of them make it, for us to fund their education at the expense of our own children, I don't liken it to suicide, but a risky theft. I feel sorry for the families of burglars who are killed, too. If you are saying 'they are people, consider their feelings' - point taken. However, THEIR feelings are considered by our government all the time. When will ours be?
Obviously some people think you are saying they go to the desert to commit suicide, but I know that's not what you are saying. I do have compassion for that individual person who somehow was driven to do that, and for their families. And I also have compassion for people who risk their lives by crossing the border just to be here and live and work in the US. I remember a question a person saying he/she doesn't or has no compassion or doesn't feels sorry for people who cross the border and get killed or for people who "jump in front of a train" or end up killing themselves (like he/she said). These Mexican people who cross the border have a great desire to come here, and if they have to risk their lives to be in this great country, they will do it.